Timeline for Putting it all behind us - Renaming the Chatroom
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| Mar 16, 2017 at 15:46 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 16, 2017 at 15:46 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 16, 2017 at 15:46 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Jan 29, 2016 at 1:55 | vote | accept | Rand al'ThorMod | ||
| Dec 25, 2015 at 23:10 | comment | added | ThePopMachine | reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3y4h59/… | |
| Nov 29, 2015 at 1:01 | comment | added | Slytherincess | @AndresF. - Just so long as we both admit we're in the same Nerdmobile, it's all good :) (And, yes. That is me, admitting I'm a huge SFF nerd! :P) | |
| Nov 29, 2015 at 0:28 | comment | added | Andres F. | @Slytherincess I didn't imply anyone was a loser. That would be a self-defeating comment to make in a website for scifi & fantasy nerds... such as myself :) | |
| Nov 29, 2015 at 0:18 | comment | added | Slytherincess | @AndresF. -- I don't think users who chat have "too much time on their hands." Speaking for myself, I just have chat running in the background, and I check in throughout the day. Sometimes that leads to an actual conversation I can participate in, but more often than not, it actually doesn't. Anyhow, everyone makes time for activities they enjoy, whether it's perusing the main site, answering questions, watching movies/TV, etc. Chatting isn't any worse than that, and those who like to chat aren't aren't any more "losers" than the rest of the geeks who hang at SFF! ;) | |
| Nov 28, 2015 at 14:53 | answer | added | Mr Lister | timeline score: -5 | |
| Nov 24, 2015 at 19:15 | comment | added | Tango | I'm familiar with in and out of universe explanations. I'm also familiar with what I learned from years of working in psych treatment programs. Names make a difference. The name may be well loved, but that's also because it connotes a place of "scum and villainy." Names create expectations, that's my point (that you bypassed), and people do start to behave in line with the expectations. I've seen that over and over. But, hey, we're trying to fix something and all I see from you is complaints. If you don't like the discussion, don't take part in it and don't read it. It's that simple. | |
| Nov 24, 2015 at 19:08 | comment | added | Andres F. | @Tango Oh, come on! It's a well-loved name by Star Wars fans. The argument here is that the name Mos Eisley has been tainted by chat users who misbehave, not by its in-universe reputation! As a scifi.se regular, you should be familiar with out-of-universe vs in-universe explanations, right? Well, here is a clear-cut out-of-universe one. And changing the name won't help one bit in changing the behavior of chat users. Anyway, I'm outta this discussion -- I find all this self-referential meta-obssesion cringeworthy. Back to the main site for me! | |
| Nov 24, 2015 at 17:21 | comment | added | Tango | @AndresF.: The only time Mos Eisley is described, on screen, Obi Wan says, "Never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." I'd say that is a bad reputation. I found, in long years of teaching (most of it in residential treatment programs) that a name or nickname can have an amazing effect on expectations and behavior. Call a kid "klutz" for a month and see how his coordination starts failing. The same can happen to a place: Peoples' behavior can live up or down to a name. | |
| Nov 24, 2015 at 13:49 | comment | added | Andres F. | @Tango Fair enough. My comment sounded aggressive; I apologize. As an outsider to chat, I may be overgeneralizing. I find all this infighting and discussions about chat memes and all that crap tiresome, so I may be oversensitive. And more relevant to the comment you replied to: "Mos Eisley" doesn't have negative connotations; it's well liked by Star Wars fans. A reasonable argument could be made that not all scifi fans are Star Wars fans, so Mos Eisley may not be the most encompassing name (then again, a Doctor Who-inspired name would probably be worse...). But "negative"? That's news to me... | |
| Nov 24, 2015 at 4:44 | comment | added | Tango | @AndresF.: Back off on the "you guys." I haven't had issues in chat and I have not been bringing them up. I have participated in some of the discussions, though. So a personally directed comment is inappropriate. But, for those that don't care about chat, this really doesn't concern them, does it? | |
| Nov 22, 2015 at 14:39 | comment | added | Andres F. | @MikeEdenfield Well, it would surely bring about a more real change than simply renaming the chatroom and keeping the same people that are causing trouble. Also, either option (renaming or banning) would probably have minimal impact, since I'm betting most of us regular users don't care all that much about chat. I'm guessing the Powers That Be simply think that having too much fighting in chat reflects badly on the main site. | |
| Nov 22, 2015 at 14:32 | comment | added | Ixrec | @AndresF. For the record, a subset of them were banned for a while. Notice this very post says "some of our most active users being temporarily suspended". I think the mods/CMs had reached the same conclusion you just did, and from what I can tell (whether or not it was "fair" or "justified") it's already having an effect. | |
| Nov 22, 2015 at 14:28 | comment | added | KutuluMike | so, your idea is "take all of the people who use the chat room, and ban them from the chat room?" | |
| Nov 22, 2015 at 14:19 | comment | added | Andres F. | @Tango Mos Eisley has negative connotations? Listen, I wouldn't even be aware there were any problems in chat unless you guys kept bringing them up here in meta. I assume the majority opinion is between "nobody cares about chat" and "guys, just shut up about your infighting in chat" :) The only people at chat just have too much spare time, which isn't the norm for the majority of us! | |
| Nov 22, 2015 at 14:15 | comment | added | Andres F. | Are we going to get this call to change the name of Mos Eisley repeatedly until the guys proposing the change finally win the vote? Here's another suggestion: from my brief visits to the chatroom, it seems there are always the same few people in there; I assume any trouble must be caused by a subset of them (since there seldom is anyone else in there). Ban them all from chat (those who are not mods, I guess) and that would bring about a more real change than simply changing the name. | |
| Nov 22, 2015 at 10:49 | answer | added | Major Stackings | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 21, 2015 at 20:22 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 21, 2015 at 20:20 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -2 | |
| Nov 21, 2015 at 20:16 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -3 | |
| Nov 21, 2015 at 20:14 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -1 | |
| Nov 17, 2015 at 3:45 | comment | added | Ward - Trying Codidact | @AnthonyGrist It does apply here, it undid a bunch of my votes on the answers here yesterday. The same thing happened last time SS did a poll question about renaming the chat room. | |
| Nov 17, 2015 at 1:37 | comment | added | Tango | @randal'thor: I'm not sure, right now, just who I agree with on this. Maybe with you. Or maybe if we renamed it something with a positive connotation, it might start subtly influencing people's behavior. | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 21:55 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor Mod | @AnthonyGrist It does apply to Meta posts: meta.scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/5357/… | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 21:52 | comment | added | Anthony Grist | @Ward I'm not sure if the vote reversal script applies to Meta posts, since there's no reputation changes involved. If it is active on Meta, then it's not limited to downvotes; upvoting several answers by the same user may be seen as suspicious too. | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 20:36 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor Mod | @Tango Totally agreed with 1); the whole premise of the question is that this behaviour WILL change. And does 2) mean you support my renaming idea? I'm glad someone does! :-) | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 19:50 | comment | added | Tango | 1) A rose by any other name is still a rose. If we don't change the behavior that's causing the problem, no name change will work. If we do change it, it should be AFTER the issues have been solved. 2) I've seen, many times, how a name or title can color how people think of themselves, a business, or place. If we do change it, it should be to something with a positive reputation, a place where proper behavior and respect is expect. | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 18:36 | answer | added | CodesInChaos | timeline score: -3 | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 12:09 | answer | added | Dr R Dizzle | timeline score: 0 | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 7:21 | comment | added | Peregrine Rook | Because Tolkien, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, etc., are so popular: "The Magic Gathering" :) | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 7:14 | answer | added | Peregrine Rook | timeline score: 3 | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 7:09 | answer | added | Peregrine Rook | timeline score: -6 | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 6:02 | answer | added | Often Right | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 5:34 | answer | added | Often Right | timeline score: -6 | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 5:09 | answer | added | ThePopMachine | timeline score: -7 | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 4:57 | comment | added | Ward - Trying Codidact | NOTE to Everyone: if you dislike several of the suggestions, be careful about downvoting. If you downvote several suggestions from the same user, your votes will likely be reversed automatically. | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 4:44 | comment | added | phantom42 | upvotes on the question do not necessarily mean that the users agree it should be changed; the voter may just think it's a valid discussion. they may also just still prefer the current name, or not like any of the proposed new ones. | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 3:57 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackSciFi/status/666102819162890241 | ||
| Nov 16, 2015 at 2:55 | comment | added | user31178 | @randal'thor But the Mos Eisley option has a higher score than the question itself, and more total votes. | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 2:26 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor Mod | Perhaps it makes sense to say that if the question has a positive score, then people are in favour of renaming it and in that case, the highest-scored non-Mos Eisley option wins? | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 1:11 | comment | added | phantom42 | which is why using meta answers to conduct a poll isn't a good way to do this. | |
| Nov 16, 2015 at 0:52 | comment | added | user31178 | @phantom42 It couples together 2 separate issues. We're seeing a really unusual number of downvotes, in the "sink the other options to the bottom" instead of a "bring the best to the top" style, that's typically not seen. People against the change will downvote everything, but people for the change aren't likely to upvote everything, because that's atypical behavior. So we've got 1 post with 2 distinct polls sharing tangled votes biased towards a single result. I don't care one way or another about the name change, but this current poll is nothing more than a farce. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 23:12 | comment | added | phantom42 | "I don't think the name should be changed" and "I don't like this name" are two separate and valid votes, even by the same user. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 22:41 | answer | added | user14111 | timeline score: -5 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 22:39 | answer | added | user14111 | timeline score: -2 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 22:35 | answer | added | user14111 | timeline score: -6 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 21:36 | comment | added | user31178 | I don't get how this voting is supposed to work now. Votes for the question mean "Yes, change it", but then there's an answer that's specifically "No, don't change it" which means people are downvoting the question, upvoting that answer, and downvoting all the other answers. It's heavily skewed the results, and now they're almost useless. And the number of upvotes on the question don't even match those on the "let's keep it answer", which is even more unhelpful! | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 21:30 | answer | added | user35594 | timeline score: 0 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 21:28 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor Mod | @Mooz Post it as an answer? | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 21:26 | comment | added | Möoz | I disagree with a need to change the room's name, but if we were going to, I'd be up for The Ansible | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 21:01 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor Mod | @user35594 I provided several answers to be voted on. I realised that some people would want to keep the old name, so I posted that as an answer to save them the trouble. Personally my favourite would be either "the TARDIS" or "Rivendell", but I'm only one user in the community. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 20:57 | comment | added | user35594 | I don't quite understand the point of this post from the OP. You ask a question about renaming the chatroom but then provide an answer saying we shouldn't change it. Which is your opinion? :-) | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 19:23 | answer | added | AncientSwordRageMod | timeline score: -8 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 18:14 | history | edited | Rand al'ThorMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Nov 15, 2015 at 17:27 | answer | added | AncientSwordRageMod | timeline score: -8 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 17:25 | answer | added | Praxis | timeline score: -7 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 17:03 | comment | added | b_jonas | @Wikis: right, so the temporary solution is the Mos Eisley Cantina, which is full of bar brawls: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/31550/mos-eisley-cantina | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:52 | answer | added | Praxis | timeline score: -5 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:41 | answer | added | user13267 | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:30 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -3 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:26 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:24 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -1 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:21 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:19 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:17 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -6 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:14 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -1 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 16:07 | answer | added | Doctor Doom | timeline score: -3 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 15:28 | answer | added | user56 | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:51 | comment | added | Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE | And, yes, renaming Mos Eisley is becoming meme here. ;) | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:49 | comment | added | Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE | Mos Eisley was "a wretched hive of scum and villany". Just sayin' :) | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:18 | answer | added | user13267 | timeline score: -3 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:11 | comment | added | CandiedMango | @phantom42 It's the ol' bait and switch! | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:09 | comment | added | phantom42 | oh, so we're trying to trick people. got it. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:07 | answer | added | user13267 | timeline score: -5 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:05 | answer | added | user13267 | timeline score: -5 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:05 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor Mod | @phantom42 From the question: "Much better to have people come to the chatroom with no prejudices, and then by the time they realise it's the former Mos Eisley, they may already have realised we're an OK bunch" | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:04 | answer | added | user31178 | timeline score: 12 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:03 | comment | added | phantom42 | If people have drifted away because of the tone of the chat room what makes you think that changing the name will change that? | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:03 | answer | added | The Fallen | timeline score: -8 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:03 | answer | added | user13267 | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:03 | comment | added | CandiedMango | Around The Hearth | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:02 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor Mod | @phantom42 I'm not thinking of people starting a new one; I'm thinking of people not wanting to come to chat at all. Some of our high-rep users have already drifted away from Mos because of the unpleasantness. There are probably a lot of chatters from other sites who dislike Mos Eisley too. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 14:00 | comment | added | phantom42 | This seems completely pointless. Is anyone going to come to Mos Eisley and say, "oh, this is Mos Eisley, I remember all those arguments here, so I should start a new one"? | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:59 | answer | added | The Fallen | timeline score: -3 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:59 | comment | added | user13267 | how about just The Local Pub then | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:59 | answer | added | CandiedMango | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:58 | answer | added | user13267 | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:57 | answer | added | user13267 | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:55 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor Mod | @TARS Excellent idea (I don't know Star Wars, some others don't know Doctor Who, there are probably some who don't know Harry Potter, etc.). I'll try to think of something. If you come up with anything specific, do post an answer! | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:55 | answer | added | user13267 | timeline score: -4 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:54 | comment | added | TARS | Interesting idea. But how about anything not from a specific property? (Unfortunately I have no specific ideas other than that general one, though.) | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:52 | answer | added | Rand al'ThorMod | timeline score: -7 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:50 | answer | added | Rand al'ThorMod | timeline score: -3 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:48 | answer | added | Rand al'ThorMod | timeline score: 19 | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 13:46 | history | asked | Rand al'ThorMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |