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I've been a long time lurker. May I say, for all of you answering questions, the amount of SciFi knowledge I have learnt I have a great appreciation for.

Do you know what I appreciate more? How you handle identification questions. If I'm having trouble remembering a video game, I ask you guys. And I'm a very big video game buff. So it doesn't happen often.. but..

At Arqade (our sister site for video games), I can't ask an ID question based off memory. I have to provide a visual artifact.

I've been there for ages. I'm not going to get in to why it's like that, but it really has to be because of past experience. I'm familiar with Stack Exchange, so I'm not troubled. I ask on here if I can't ID the game (assuming its SciFi).

But that made me wonder. There has to be a better way for us to handle these sort of questions. There used to be a time when we would just click 'this belongs on another SE'. We could theoretically send these questions your way.

But we would do it without thought. Without consideration that this question would be a good addition to your site. Or even actually on topic..

What if there was a better way?

What if I could transfer these ID questions to you.. but only because I also had a 10K rep score on your site, meaning I had an understanding of what was on topic, meaning I was active over here to edit the question into a good question, and actually be willing to put work into getting it answered.

At the end of the day, these are just people trying to remember something they were passionate about, across the scifi and video game genres.

I'm just toying with ideas to put something forward to meta, at the moment; but I want your feedback.

How would you guys feel about the few members at Arqade who were also active members here on SciFi having the ability to migrate game ID questions when they are asking for help identifying Sci-Fi related games, and are able to provide enough detail to make a good quality question, sans the "physical artifact" that is required at arqade?

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    I'd especially like to hear from members that are prominent on both sites. I know there must be a fair few - SciFi and Video Games go hand in hand, am I right?
    – Gnemlock
    Jun 15 at 21:14
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    Scifi and Fantasy 'Video Game' ID questions are thoroughly on-topic on SFF:SE; scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/12417/…. Feel free to flag them for migration per the usual channels.
    – Valorum
    Jun 15 at 21:17
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    The migration system needs a more thorough rework than just this but it is a starting point. For now though with the system as it is I feel a comment on the question on Arqade pointing them here is more than appropriate.
    – TheLethalCarrot Mod
    Jun 15 at 21:19
  • @Valorum what Im getting at is Ive seen a lot of 'bad blood' between sister sites because we transfer poor quality questions there. I would like to see a system where we follow up with them; jump over to the other side and fix the question up and make sure that it is on par with what they expect in terms of scope and quality.
    – Gnemlock
    Jun 15 at 21:28
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    I don't think you are going to see any “bad blood” from SF&F people for sending over game identification questions, unless they are about games that really aren’t part of the genre.
    – Buzz
    Jun 15 at 21:30
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    @Gnemlock preferably if you’re sending something over than can be fixed as soon as it is migrated it would be fixed before migration.
    – TheLethalCarrot Mod
    Jun 15 at 21:32
  • @Buzz, i mean in the case (that ive not personally seen, but could anticipate) where the question is definitely within their scope... but for generic reasons, the question is of poor quality (eg. questions where they provide two lines of description)
    – Gnemlock
    Jun 15 at 21:34
  • @TheLethalCarrot the point I make there is that the people fixing the question have enough rep over here to be trusted to know exactly what needs to be fixed for the standards here.
    – Gnemlock
    Jun 15 at 21:35
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This seems to be largely addressed on your home site

In brief, yes, we at SFF:SE are more than happy to accept video game identification questions, and have done so for many years (with a pretty good rate of success, I might add).

Other than making sure that you're not sending over crap (e.g. that it's about sci-fi or fantasy and has at least one semi-uniquely identifiable feature), please exercise your best judgement on what to flag for migration here.


If you want a specific migration pathway, you'll need to ask your own meta+mods. I'm pretty sure ours wouldn't mind being on the receiving end, but given the relatively low volume of candidates, a custom flag ("I think this would be a good candidate for SFF") would almost certainly do just as well.

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    "Other than making sure that you're not sending over crap, please exercise your best judgement on what to flag for migration here." - I'd hazard a guess that this isn't all that helpful for the Gaming community/mods to know what we'd want and what we wouldn't. Some people consider all ID questions to be "crap". We don't, but it might be helpful to explain in a little more detail what's "crap" by our standards.
    – Rand al'Thor Mod
    Jun 16 at 0:24
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    @Randal'Thor Our guide to asking video game ID questions would be a good reference for determining what is and isn't "crap" by our standards.
    – Null Mod
    Jun 16 at 2:53
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    @Randal'Thor - I've edited accordingly. imho, anything with at least one reasonably identifying feature is probably sufficient to pass the "not crap" test (e.g. "this game had a dragon" = crap vs. "this game had a golden dragon" = not crap)
    – Valorum
    Jun 16 at 12:56
  • @Valorum: Eh, I'm skeptical of "golden dragon" being not crap. It may sound unique, but then you realize that D&D has metallic dragons (there are a lot of D&D video games), and also all of these shovelware titles are in the running, etc.
    – Kevin
    Jun 26 at 2:57
  • @Kevin - Sure, but there are only a finite number of games with a notably golden dragon and a vast number of games with 'a' dragon. If the entirety of the question was those five words, we'd absolutely want more, but I'm assuming OP would also tell us other things that could be used to narrow it down such as the type of game mechanic and when they think they played it.
    – Valorum
    Jun 26 at 8:28
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This doesn't sound like a bad idea. The migration system is sort of broken at the moment and needs a large overhaul which is mostly why it's not really used. There are few migration pathways open, none out of SFF, for example. That means it's down to either flagging a mod to move the question elsewhere or commenting and pointing a user to re-ask elsewhere. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the latter is the better option.

However, to talk about your suggested proposal. It's not a bad idea. One of the key problems with the migration system is that people don't know enough about the site they are migrating to and so end up sending something over that's off topic or even because they think it's a better fit elsewhere. That's part of what led me to posting this pair of questions but for suggesting migrating to Arqade. Your suggested proposal is better in that regard, though the rep threshold may need moving about.

I have seen some potential problems in it and it's down to how the migration system currently works.

  • User accounts: a user only has an account on a site where they have created one. That means if a question is migrated to a site where they don't have an account then they won't get notifications for things on the now migrated question (I believe). This means they could miss it being migrated and so never see answers posted. This is bad for the OP, obviously, but also somewhat annoying for us: we already have a problem with drive by users, don't want to make it worse.

  • Migrating "crap": Whilst the usual rule of don't migrate crap stands I would like a system where something that's not inherently crap can be migrated and if closed not returned to its previous site. Currently, if I'm remembering correctly, if a migrated question is closed it is returned to where it came from. This obviously isn't ideal for both sites and the OP.

As this would mean a rather large overhaul to the migration system at present I actually think a comment to the OP is a lot better as it gets around most of this stuff. Something like, cut down for some brevity:

Unfortunately, your question is off topic on Arqade as there is no visual artifact included. However, as the game you're looking for is science fictional/fantastical this is on topic over on [scifi.se]. Please ask it over there and you may also want to check out their guide to asking a good ID question.

This is similar to what started me to lead the guidelines for "migration" effort where I went to other sites, including Arqade, and asked for any guidelines they wanted from us for us to "migrate" questions over to them. Although that effort wasn't as successful as I would have liked so might need some more work put into it in the future.

I think a simple comment like the above for on topic game id questions as well as making sure the question has at least a decent amount of detail should suffice. Unless a large overhaul comes to the migration system this is going to be your best bet.

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    Fat chance of an improvement to the migration system.
    – Valorum
    Jun 16 at 8:52

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